Firehouse Friday Chat – with Jack & Mack

Jack & Mack

Jack & Mack OCT 2nd 2020

Jack: Hey Mack did you hear about the CBRNe Officer, the Hazmat Officer and the Bomb Tech that died and went to Heaven.

At the pearly gate’s they’re greeted by St. Peter, he tells the bomb tech “You’ve been unfaithful to your wife 10 times, so you shall drive a rusty old 1970 Skoda around Heaven for eternity.”

The Hazmat technician goes up and St. Peter says, “You have only been unfaithful to your wife 5 times, so you shall be given a 1985, orange Siverado with transmission problems and a gas leak to drive in Heaven for eternity.”

The CBRNe officer goes up and is told “Captain, I know you have been a model soldier. You have never been unfaithful to your wife, so you shall be given a brand new red Ferrari, 812 Superfast to drive in Heaven for eternity”

Everything’s fine for a few weeks until the Hazmat guy see’s the CBRNe guy crying, he goes over and asks him, “What’s wrong? Aren’t you glad that you can drive around in a 2020, $350,000, red Ferrari ,812 Superfast for eternity?”

The CBRNe officer starts sobbing, “I am, but I just saw my wife go by on a used skateboard!”

Mack: “Doh!”

Questions from the floor:

Tracy M: South Carolina asks “Jack, “My company returns special permit gas cylinders frequently. We don’t hold the special permits the gas companies that produce them do . If we are returning the cylinders to the vendor who holds the permit, do we have to reference the SP number on our paperwork or can we send them back as other gases in compliance with all of the other regs of course.

Jack: “Good question Tracy. Every special permit is different. Typically, the permit itself will dictate what provision(s) of the regulations (49 CFR only—permit’s only apply within US jurisdictions) it exempts the bearer from, as well as if the special permit is transferable to subsequent users of the subject packaging or not.

R. Jackson from South Dakota asks Mack, “following a CBRN event: How do we define safe? What are the metrics?“

Mack: “How long have we got? This question highlights a need to define metrics for success and consequence management in and CBRNe incident. It becomes a judgement call to declare the scene safe and then we move into post incident tasks.

Let’s break it down to procedure, capability and equipment, post incident and for the long term considerations: Once Safety is agreed:

Procedure – Provide multi-agency debrief for all responders. provide psychological counseling for victims and responders, provide long term health monitoring (victims and responders) and conduct a critical incident debriefing

Capability – Psychological counseling (responders, victims, affected population),large scale health monitoring, liaison with effected families, long term accommodation
and provision of financial assistance for victims.

Equipment – Network of counsellors, health monitoring facilities, temporary/permanent accommodation, fund raising facility.

There’s no doubt we are lacking in this area and I suggest we should look to industry for guidance.

To continuously improve upon process safety performance, it is essential that we implement effective process safety metrics. The Center For Chemical Process Safety, CCPS has filled this need through a diverse, international effort leading to the publication of recommended process safety metrics. The recommended metrics can be reviewed in the documents below: